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Comments on: Some bytes about Fedora bits http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/ A collection of jottings on various issues that excite no one else Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:28:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.6.17 By: sankarshan http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67166 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:28:11 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67166 ve had long discussions about this. And, my current pet peeve with FreeMedia is what I’ve blogged about. I see [i] a lack of accountability and [ii] a bad end-user experience. Let’s talk about the latter. For someone who does not manage to make the cut with the request - how can we ensure that we provide alternative paths to the media ? Because the primary reason for raising the ticket was to obtain the media. The corollary here is that the ease of raising a ticket increases the chance of freeloading. So, I see an important question here - do we work towards decreasing freeloading or, do we work towards strengthening the routes to media. And, I do not have a definite answer at this point. In fact, I do not want to have. Having said all that, [i] is another part that bothers me. Just how do we expect people to contribute to the project by volunteering for Freemedia ? Recent trends in requests for various swag does indicate that we are approaching that margin of freeloading wherefrom there are only two paths - either raise the bar on swag entitlements or, just write off the costs. I am wary of doing the latter. What you mention as being dependent on *UGs, I see as a means to enforce that Ambassadors have their ear to the ground. I see an somewhat unhealthy trend of Ambassadors working in isolation in an elitist silo. That is going to be counter productive. As regards, what can be done - we should actively start looking at and, incubating commercial sponsors/vendors for the media including possibly exploring the possibility of allowing co-branding. Perhaps that would make it worthwhile for people to approach us and charge a sum to sell the media.]]> In reply to susmit.

@susmit – we’ve had long discussions about this. And, my current pet peeve with FreeMedia is what I’ve blogged about. I see [i] a lack of accountability and [ii] a bad end-user experience. Let’s talk about the latter. For someone who does not manage to make the cut with the request – how can we ensure that we provide alternative paths to the media ? Because the primary reason for raising the ticket was to obtain the media. The corollary here is that the ease of raising a ticket increases the chance of freeloading. So, I see an important question here – do we work towards decreasing freeloading or, do we work towards strengthening the routes to media. And, I do not have a definite answer at this point. In fact, I do not want to have.

Having said all that, [i] is another part that bothers me. Just how do we expect people to contribute to the project by volunteering for Freemedia ? Recent trends in requests for various swag does indicate that we are approaching that margin of freeloading wherefrom there are only two paths – either raise the bar on swag entitlements or, just write off the costs. I am wary of doing the latter. What you mention as being dependent on *UGs, I see as a means to enforce that Ambassadors have their ear to the ground. I see an somewhat unhealthy trend of Ambassadors working in isolation in an elitist silo. That is going to be counter productive. As regards, what can be done – we should actively start looking at and, incubating commercial sponsors/vendors for the media including possibly exploring the possibility of allowing co-branding. Perhaps that would make it worthwhile for people to approach us and charge a sum to sell the media.

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By: susmit http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67165 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:27:27 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67165 The only reason I don’t like the idea of scrapping the freemedia is that a project of Fedora’s stature can not afford to be fully dependent on others (lugs/individuals).

Collaborating with lugs are a way to scale up availabilities. But should this be the only way?

Can we really afford to say these?

Go to xyz lug(or vendor) and find out if they are willing to provide/sell you a Fedora media. If they say no, we are sorry to say there is nothing we can really do about making fedora available to you!!!

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By: sankarshan http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67163 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:30:30 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67163 In reply to susmit.

@susmit – if there are volunteers who are lining up to resell, I guess pointing them to the right source for getting them printed would work

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By: susmit http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67162 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:28:59 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67162 About the first question I shall think and come up with an answer.
The problem with the second one is: How do we distribute it? Also it costs ~3INR for each label.

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By: sankarshan http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67161 Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:13:58 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67161 @susmit – Thanks for pointing out answers to both the questions. In that event, there remains a single part that needs to be addressed – what does it take to ensure that more folks land up on the ‘reseller’ page ie. have volunteered to get listed to be able to sell media ? On your blog I note that Rangeen has mentioned about having proper media – does this mean that we need to get some media stickers done ?

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By: susmit http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67160 Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:43:26 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67160 Also, “The other problems are – because the FreeMedia Program gates slam down fast, at every run there would be folks who – [i] did not make their requests in time [ii] are in the queue but we have no idea of knowing whether they did get the media.”
The second one is of no concern at all.

Every requester gets an email on every update of his/her ticket. If someone takes up the request, it will be notified to the requester. If someone ships the media and closes the ticket, the requester will be notified. I tried to take care of every possibility. 🙂 Although I have a few areas mentally marked for improvement.

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By: susmit http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/04/12/some-bytes-about-fedora-bits/comment-page-1/#comment-67159 Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:23:07 +0000 http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/?p=543#comment-67159 I can talk about your concern about duplicates.
While implementing the system, I could think about two types of duplicate:
Case 1: Multiple request, Email addresses are same, but addresses are not.
Case 2: Multiple request, email addresses are different and addresses is same.

The current system automatically finds out these two types of duplicates, and make them available for closing as duplicates via (trac) report 23 and 24.

We close them before processing a month’s request.

Also, I designed the system such a way that once someone request for a DVD, all the subsequent requests for a particular release (say F10) will be marked duplicate, as per our “One DVD/Person/Release” policy.

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